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The 8th World Water Forum will have Water for Sustainable Development as one of its central themes, focusing on water for human activities and the role of water use in different sectors and in countries’ development. In order to reach that, four topics have been set to comprise the debate questions under Development. The following topics should split into Thematic Sessions and other debate stages during the 8th World Water Forum in 2018:

  1. Water, energy and food security nexus (Water for food/ Water for energy)
  2. Inclusive and sustainable growth, water stewardship and industry
  3. Efficient use of surface water and groundwater - urban and rural
  4. Infrastructure for sustainable water resource management and services

Considering the above topics about Development:      

  1. What are the major challenges under each topic that concern civil society and communities and need to be raised for debate during the 8th World Water Forum?
  2. How those challenges apply to problems in your city, community or neighbouring surroundings?

Your feedback will support the organization instances of the Forum in the definition of Thematic Sessions and other opportunities for debate during the event.

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KANNA VI MARTIN LUTHER's picture

KANNA VI MARTIN... said:

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Indika Gunawardana replied:

Thank you Kanna for sharing the difficult reality in related to water supply and sanitation in Camaroon. Not aso different to peruvian and vanezuela examples. 

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Gustavo Bernardino Malacco da Silva's picture

Gustavo Bernard... said:

Caros colegas,

Um tema bastante sensível que tenho acompanhado no âmbito dos Comitês de Bacias Hidrográficas é o acirramento pela utilização do recurso hídrico, especialmente entre a irrigação, o setor de hidroeletricidade e as áreas estratégicas para conservação de ecossistemas aquáticos, como verificado na Bacia do rio Paranaíba. Seria interessante uma discussão a respeito de conflitos pelo uso da água, e quais as estratégicas têm sido buscadas para a minimização.

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Cristiane Collet Battiston's picture

Cristiane Colle... replied:

Obrigada pela colaboração, Gustavo! Esse é um tópico muito importante para o tema Desenvolvimento.

Na sua experiência, os Comitês de Bacia têm tido sucesso na arbitragem de conflitos?

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Gustavo Bernardino Malacco da Silva's picture

Gustavo Bernard... replied:

Acho que não, no caso destacado na Bacia do Paranaíba não ocorreu consenso entre os usuários, e tivemos que votar sobre a questão, mas o assunto vai acabar sendo resolvido no Judiciário. Boa parte dos CBHs ainda estão em um estágio muito embrionário, e temos diferenças abissais entre os mesmos, sem contar o peso que os grandes usuários possuem na representatividade, especialmente nos CBHs de âmbito federal. Mas um tema que é muito sensível, pelo menos no Brasil é relacionado aos ecossistemas aquáticos, que não foram considerados como usuários na 9.433 as espécies que ocorrem nesses ambientes, o que dificulta a discussão de conflitos com outros setores.

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fernando cintra... replied:

Oi Gustavo e Cristiane, boa noite.

A gestão dos recursos hídricos realmente não é tarefa simples e ainda necessitamos de algum tempo para experenciarmos alguns conflitos como esse e aprendermos a criar as formas de solucioná-los.

Eu também participo de um comite de bacia hidrográfica com grandes disputa pelos recursos hídricos, mas não só. Na bacia do Cotia Guarapiranga existe bastante pressão pelas respectivas áreas de proteção de mananciais.

Abraços, Fernando.

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Susana Herman d... said:

I would like  to put on the table of discussion the difference between words and action, what is written in paper and the reality on sustainable development in my country Venezuela, and I don´t think is different in most Latin American countries.  Venezuela´s Constitution has a complete chapter (IX) dedicated to Environmental Rights, And establishes Sustainable Development as the base for Development Plans.  Venezuela has also a very good Water Law based on the concept that water is  public and it should be managed with an Integrated view. But our reality is that there is no real water management in Venezuela.  There are really very few gauging stations....Read more

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Daniela Cestarollo replied:

Hi Susana ! Thank you for sharing with us your thouhgts and  concerns. I can totally understand your frustation with 'words'.However, we cannot forget that many Latin American countries share a recent past of miliitary dictatorships and conservative civil governments and such history has had a deep impact in the organization of the region's civil society and the implementation of legislations. Nowadays the access to social medias and the Internet are allowing exchange of information and communication previously unknown. These are powerful tools but not the only ones. Perhpas we need to reflect on better ways of improving civil society participation and effectiveness in governance....Read more

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Lalith Dassenaike's picture

Lalith Dassenaike said:

Hi Caio! Thanks for your very valuable comment on an important topic namely focusing on new technologies and mechanisms for how best to apply and implement these technologies.  I would like you to focus a bit more on how the Universities are addressing such issues?  Basically how the Research & Development "process" works in addressing some of these issues.  What are the mechanisms in place to apply some of the latest research and new products being developed in the Universities.

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Caio Lorenzo Daniel Roncisvalle's picture

Caio Lorenzo Da... replied:

Hi, Lalith

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Caio Lorenzo Da... said:

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Daniela Cestarollo replied:

Hi Caio ! And thank you very much for your input to the debate. I think you have raised a relevant point in water management practices which is: infrastructure. As this platform is a forum for debate I would like you to use it to present or propose solutions. I like your idea of offering benefits to companies or institutions investing in sustainability. Could you expand on that ?

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Caio Lorenzo Daniel Roncisvalle's picture

Caio Lorenzo Da... replied:

Hi, Daniela,

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Mariane Ravanello's picture

Mariane Ravanello replied:

Oi Caio,

Sou engenheira civil também e fico feliz de saber que agora as faculdades têm uma disciplina específica de construções sustentáveis - quando cursei, eram apenas tópicos em disciplinas dispersas.

Concordo com você quando fala do desperdício de água e acho que a discussão em vários níveis (mídia, escolas, etc) passa pela educação, preocupação da Cintiandrea logo abaixo. É importante perceber a água enquanto indutora do desenvolvimento e não deixar para dar valor somente quando falta.

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Caio Lorenzo Daniel Roncisvalle's picture

Caio Lorenzo Da... replied:

Oi, Mariane,

Essa disciplina é nova na minha faculdade e é uma eletiva. Espero que ela ganhe mais espaço, assim como outras que tratam desses assuntos.

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Yasmina Rais El... said:

When considering water for development it is critical to address the different impacts of water use by women and men, as well as the various ways in which each are affected differently by water management decisions. Despite the challenges, there are numerous benefits in considering gender from the design stage through to implementation of water policies and practices. The benefits can be seen in enhanced economic sustainability and efficiency, social equity and improved water governance. What are your experiences from your countries? Are policies gender mainstreamed? If so, in what ways? If not, what are the clear negative impacts resulting from this?

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Mariane Ravanello replied:

Olá Yasmina,

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Cristiandrea Ciciliato's picture

Cristiandrea Ci... said:

Boa noite, sou grata por este espaço, e diante de tantas dificuldades em torno da água a Educação vem me intrigando cada vez mais...Parece que a  água só é importante no "momento" em que falta...

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Mariane Ravanello's picture

Mariane Ravanello replied:

Concordo com você! Respondi no comentário do Caio logo acima.

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Lalith Dassenaike's picture

Lalith Dassenaike said:

In discussing additional very important issues namely Legislation, Financial Instruments, City Planning etc. I think we have not continued fully on the intial topic of "Advocay"/"Education".  Whilst continuing the discussion on all of these key issues I would like to invite more participants to contribute to this topic as well.

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Lalith Dassenaike said:

Thanks Botnaru for those valuable input and information.  In hindsight and almost after 10 years since the establishment of MNRVCW what is your opinion in terms of its success in achieving the MDGs?  In what positive wayd did it contribute to for example in addressing in particular 1) "Integrated" and 2) "Sustainable" issues?  Going forward, what are the lessons from this experience to apply and scale out to other parts of the country in now targeting the new set of SDGs namely focusing on the transition from MDGs to SDGs?

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Botnaru Petru said:

1. Lack of INTERNATIONAL  partnership.

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Daniela Cestarollo replied:

Hi Botnaru ! Thank you for sharing with us your experience. Your Voice is a space for debating ideas and meeting new friends and I am sure you will be able to do both. But it would be useful if you could expand and let us know few more details on your work, achievements and challenges. Please join us in our debate !

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Indika Gunawardana said:

I think both Luciola and Francisco brought very important topics into the discussion. As Francisco highlighted the fianancial instruments is necessary for a sustainable system. Any other similar experiences and thoughts on financial instruments ?

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Luciola Maria de Aquino Cabral's picture

Luciola Maria d... replied:

Hi , we have many troubles in Brasil, related to critical sanitation conditions, specially in poor areas and small cities. Even in great cities we can find people living in very bad conditions and without treated water. Sometimes people living in protected areas close to rivers, polluting them.

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Luciola Maria d... said:

Tenho acompanhado as postagens e a título de contribuição tenho a dizer que a legislação brasileira, no que concerne a gestão da água, é muito boa. Temos, no Brasil, a Lei da Política Nacional de Recursos Hídricos - Lei nº 9.433, de 08 de janeiro de 1997, que cria o Sistema Nacional de Gerenciamento de Recursos Hídricos, afirma que a água é um bem de domínio público, institui a cobrança pelo uso de recursos hídricos e o sistema de outorga de direitos pelos usos de recursos hídricos. Além disto, criou também um Conselho Nacional de Recursos Hídricos, a Agência Nacionald e Águas e os Comitês de Bacia Hidrográfica, para citar apenas parte do sistema de gestão.

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Cristiane Collet Battiston's picture

Cristiane Colle... replied:

Obrigada, Luciola, pela colaboração! "Sustentabilidade com simplicidade" gostei muito disso!

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Luciola Maria d... replied:

Ola, boa noite....Read more

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fernando cintra... replied:

Olá Luciola, bom dia.

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Luciola Maria d... replied:

Caro Fernando, agradeço seu cometário.

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Lalith Dassenaike said:

Thanks Hamza for your very important comment w.r.t. Sectoral Allocation within the context of competing demands for water.  Given your extensive experience working in botht the Government and the Private sector, wonder if you could share with us certain policies and practices (very briefly) which have worked and not worked.  Perhaps underscoring the "Challenges" faced in all of this, as at the end of the day what would be good is to learn from all of these experiences and diseminate the information so others can benefit from the knowledge.

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Cristiane Colle... said:

Dear participants,

Our colleague Francisco has pointed the issue of water law in his country (Portugal). As he reported, there are regulatory, administrative, and financial difficulties, as well as financing problems, human resources and their enforcement that allow integrated and sustainable actions in the conservation and recovery of water resources.

Please share with us your country's experiences. What are the water legislation challenges for sustainable development in your opinion?

Best regards!

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Jean-Pierre Tamisier replied:

Hello,

The water legislation challenges for sustainable development.Two links from E-room People about the problem of the sovereign and exclusive water competence of local authorities and the governments' commitment to access to water.

http://www.worldwaterforum8.org/comment/225#comment-225

http://www.worldwaterforum8.org/comment/293#comment-293

My best regards.

Organization: private sector

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Luciola Maria de Aquino Cabral's picture

Luciola Maria d... said:

Creio que um dos maiores problemas da atualidade consiste em proteger os recursos hídricos, visando assegurar o acesso a água para as populações, animais e outros usos. No Brasil, embora a dominialidade das águas não seja dos municípios, o poder local desempenha importante papel na proteção dos mananciais e pode ser decisiva para uma gestão sustentável.

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Francisco Costa replied:

Em Portugal, a maior parte dos recursos hídricos superficiais é do domínio público hídrico, mas de propriedade privada. Embora a lei 58/2005, de 29 de dezembro (Lei da Água) refira várias modalidades de intervenção por parte das estruturas centrais e descentralizadas ligadas à água, verificam-se várias dificuldades de natureza regulamentares, administrativa, bem como problemas de financiamento, recursos humanos e respetiva fiscalização que permitam ações integradas e sustentáveis na conservação e recuperação das massas aquáticas.

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Cristiane Colle... replied:

Francisco, obrigada por seu comentário!

Você poderia comentar casos específicos de dificuldades encontradas?

Saudações cordiais!

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Francisco Costa replied:

Posso apontar dois exemplos distintos mas interligados: O Fundo de Proteção dos Recursos Hídricos, criado em 2009. Trata-se de fundo autónomo com autonomia administrativa e financeira, e que tem por missão contribuir para a utilização racional e para a proteção dos recursos hídricos, através da afetação de recursos a projetos e investimentos necessários ao seu melhor uso. Esse fundo resulta das receitas essencialmente provenientes do produto da Taxa de Recursos hídricos. Infelizmente, as restrições financeiras e económicas de Portugal nos últimos anos levou a uma significativa de projetos apoiados por este fundo no que respeita a ações de reabilitação fluvial....Read more

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Cristiane Colle... replied:

Francisco, obrigada pelos exemplos!

Tentando contribuir com o 1º caso, no Brasil, conseguimos dar mais garantia de aplicação aos recursos oriundos das receitas da cobrança pelo uso dos recursos hídricos em rios de domínio da União  (buscando evitar o que chamamos de contingenciamento orçamentário), por meio da Lei nº 10.881, art.4º, § 3o . Mas essas transferências são feitas diretamente do orçamento da União (por que a receita da cobrança entra no caixa da União). Talvez seja possível algo similar para o Fundo.

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Daniela Cestarollo replied:

Acho que seria interessante ouvir a opinião e experiência de algum membro de  comitê de bacias hidrográfica no Brasil. Em nosso país, os comitês cuidam do uso, conservação e recuperação das águas das bacias hidrográficas, além do desenvolvimento na região. As bacias hidrográficas,por sua vez,  são formações geológicas cujos limites extrapolam as fronteiras geográficas e  políticas de municípios e/ou estados da federação. A bacia é uma unidade de gestão dos recursos hidrícos que possibilita o debate entre diferentes setores da sociedade civil e grupos econômicos. Relatos e experiências são bem-vindas ! 

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Daniela Cestarollo said:

Thank you all for your comments during the first week and we encourage you to invite friends and colleagues to join us!  In the first week the debate has mostly focussed on education and capacity development, the need of media bang on water issues and suggestions on innovative technologies and policies.The need of educating people in low income communities, mainly rural ones, seems to be an urgent issue needing to be addressed. We look forward for your inputs in the upcoming weeks ! 

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Amelia said:

Organisation: WAFUNIF

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Amelia said:

HI all, sorry about typos.. I was referring to food and agriculture crop banks- given that water scacity/droughts can lead to starvation.Local communities and their gorernments can be informed about these types of projects and given support to create them. of course thsi assumes that there would be food and crop avialable either form  donors or produced locally during the rainy seasons.

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Daniela Cestarollo said:

Please state in your comment the organisation you belong to: public sector, civil society, academia or private sector. It will help us to organise and address the issues raised by the group. Thank you for your contribution !

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HAMZA ÖZGÜLER said:

There is competition among sectors in terms of water use. There are various pressures on water resources. Sectoral water allocation planning should be done to reduce these pressures. In the sectoral water allocation plan, instead of demand management, an infrastructure that can meet the increasing demands in the most appropriate manner should be established.

Development of sectoral water allocation plan would be done by considering demand management for total water potential and evaluation of hydrologic, environment, economic and social conditions in the context of surface and groundwater resources.

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Daniela Cestarollo replied:

Hi Hamza ! You have raised a very valid point: sectoral water allocation. I believe this decision has to be guided by public policies but with a wide and open consultation of civil society. good governance seems to be at the centre of our debate. Do you agree ? 

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HAMZA ÖZGÜLER replied:

Thank you Daniela. Retired from a State Organization in Turkey, I am presently working for a private company in water sector.

Agree with you that good governance should be the centre of our debate. In this framework, main aim is the efficient use of water, one of the topics as indicated in the introduction text. Sectoral water allocation plan can be considered as a efficient tool for the efficient use of water.

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Cristian Suau said:

Thanks, Lalith. I want to share my design innovations as part of seven year of systematic research, including proofs of concept. My findings are supporting your queries: 

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Indika Gunawardana replied:

Dear Cristian,

Many thanks for your very rich contribution. It calls for technology advancements and innovations as a timely need to reach the water need in rural and difficult areas. New technologies in water management also need bringing research into the practice and developing partnership with private companies to introduce them as  afordable technologies. I am sure your comments will count for shaping the WWF with a more informative session on technologies and innovations and sustainable business.  

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Lalith Dassenaike said:

Thanks Sara for expanding on the actual situation in Brazil w.r.t. the treatment of waste and affluent.  Having said this any ideas going forward?  For example what really needs to be done...starting from very basic and simple solutions underpinning the "Education/Advocacy" threads at all levels.  For example what is a good starting point/intervention activity in the case of "School Education" or the "Local Government Authorities"?

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